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PC Minutes-2007-07-10 MINUTES OF THE MEETING OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION TUESDAY, JULY 10, 2007 CALL TO ORDER The meeting of the Planning Commission was called to order by Chairman Cardoza at 7:07 p.m., followed by the Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag. ROLL CALL Commissioners Present: Robert Cardoza, Chairman Sheldon Cohen, Vice Chairman Ginny Kerr Tim Neely Gene Ratcliffe Commissioners Absent: None Staff members in attendance: Steven Apple, Planning Director; Jason Retterer, Deputy City Attorney; Grant Taylor, Assistant Planning Director; David Contreras, Associate Planner; Brian Perry, Senior Civil Engineer; Sue McCullough, Recording Secretary. Chairman Cardoza welcomed Grant Taylor, Assistant Planning Director, and Virginia Kerr, Planning Commissioner. ORAL COMMUNICATIONS None. CONSENT CALENDAR Items listed on the Consent Calendar are considered routine and will be enacted by one motion and one vote. There will be no separate discussion of these items. If discussion is desired, that item may be removed from the Consent Calendar and will be considered separately. PC Meeting Minutes 2 July 10, 2007 1. APPROVAL OF PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES OF JUNE 12, 2007 Minutes of June 12, 2007: Vice Chairman Cohen moved approval, seconded by Commissioner Ratcliffe. The motion passed by a vote of 4-0-1, with Commissioner Kerr abstaining due to her absence at the June 12, 2007 meeting. PUBLIC HEARINGS 1. ARCHITECTURAL CONTROL (AC) 05-04, CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT (CUP) 05-09; THE CHURCH IN SAN JUAN CAPISTRANO REQUESTS APPROVAL OF A FREESTANDING, 10,463 SQUARE FOOT ONE STORY CHURCH BUILDING WITH 1,519 SF OF MEZZANINE AREA FOR STORAGE AND OFFICE PURPOSES, AND 2620 SF OF SANCTUARY ON A 27,443 SQUARE FOOT PARCEL LOCATED AT 31731 SAN JUAN CREEK RD. (APPLICANT: GARY MARTIN) Mr. Apple said that on July 10, 2007 it was brought to staff’s attention that there may be a third user of the proposed shared parking lot. Staff is recommending a continuance to a time certain for at least one month and is asking the applicant to provide information as to how this parking arrangement would work with other people already using the proposed parking lot. Vice Chairman Cohen asked the intended use and hours of use for the proposed classrooms and basketball court. Mr. Apple said that staff will be sure those issues are addressed. Motion Vice Chairman Cohen moved, seconded by Commissioner Ratcliffe to continue the item to the August 14, 2007 Planning Commission meeting. The motion passed by a vote of 5-0. OLD BUSINESS None. NEW BUSINESS 1. WORK SESSION; BUS BENCH SHELTERS (CIP 409), A REQUEST FOR INPUT ON DESIGN FOR 5 PROPOSED LOCATIONS ALONG CAMINO CAPISTRANO THAT HAVE BEEN DETERMINED TO HAVE THE HIGHEST RIDER SHIP. (APPLICANT: CITY OF SAN JUAN CAPISTRANO) Written Communications July 10, 2007 Project Manager PC Meeting Minutes 3 July 10, 2007 Brian Perry, P.E., Senior Civil Engineer, City of San Juan Capistrano Architect Roy Nunn, Nunn Architecture Staff presentation & recommendation Mr. Perry presented the staff report and said that Roy Nunn, project architect, is available to respond to architectural questions. Commissioner Questions and Comments Vice Chairman Cohen asked if there is any possible funding from OCTA or any other outside source. Mr. Perry said OCTA is doing some ADA work at bus stops and curb returns and there is a possibility of some outside funding. Vice Chairman Cohen said in San Diego there are wooden arm rests along the benches. Mr. Perry said bus stop benches provided by Public Works typically have cast iron ends and may have a center section to prevent people from sleeping on the benches. Chairman Cardoza asked what design criteria was presented to the consultant such as size, set back requirements of benching and any street furniture, lighting, and color according to DRC review of City Council objectives. Mr. Perry said that City Council input would be requested prior to considering costly recommendations such as individual trash container designs and landscaping. Commissioner Kerr asked about the cost savings of having one design to identify the bus stop. Roy Nunn, Nunn Architecture, said using one style is possible, but individuality is desirable in rustic historic areas. Commissioner Ratcliffe voiced concern that the single slanted roof in location #1 may not provide sun protection. Mr. Nunn said the roof can be tilted for maximum coverage. Commissioner Kerr voiced concern regarding lack of space at location #4 near the tennis courts. Chairman Cardoza asked for clarification regarding the procedure. Mr. Perry said Planning Commission recommendations would be taken to City Council. Chairman Cardoza said the DRC is concerned about how the various locations are to be treated, and stated that a detailed description of the various designs would benefit the City Council or any review body. Mr. Perry said that details aren’t necessary until City Council approval is granted. Chairman Cardoza said that more refinement needs to take place prior to forwarding to City Council. Commissioner Ratcliffe said she endorses the two northernmost locations and the southern location in front of the Ross Center. PC Meeting Minutes 4 July 10, 2007 Vice Chairman Cohen said that prior to recommendations to City Council, there is a need for a cost analysis of individual custom shelters versus one standard design, including if they meet ADA requirements and are within budget. Mr. Nunn said there are ways of keeping costs down. Commissioner Neely said he agrees with Chairman Cardoza’s comments regarding design issues and the need for City Council direction before returning the item to the DRC. Commissioner Kerr voiced concern regarding the massing, and said that she would like to see smaller bases and design consistency. She asked the number of people to be accommodated in a shelter. Mr. Perry said that other than the Stone Field location with 40-50 students, most of the locations don’t have many riders. Chairman Cardoza suggested focusing on two or three locations. Vice Chairman Cohen asked if CUSD had been approached. Mr. Perry said CUSD could be approached. Commissioner Ratcliffe suggested prioritizing the need for each shelter in terms of other sheltered areas in the vicinity. Chairman Cardoza asked that tonight’s comments be reflected in a memorandum to City Council at the time the bus shelter concept is presented. Motion Vice Chairman Cohen moved, seconded by Chairman Cardoza, to present the July 10, 2007 Planning Commission comments regarding the bus shelter concepts in a memorandum to City Council with direction that the matter come back to the DRC for further review and analysis at such time as Council makes a determination as to locations and budget for this project. The DRC can then make recommendations and present findings to the Planning Commission. The motion passed by a vote of 5-0. 2. CONSIDERATION OF ARCHITECTURAL CONTROL (AC) 05-09 LOS RIOS PARK & PARKING LOT (CIP 465); A REQUEST FOR INPUT ON ARCHITECTURE PLANS FOR THE LOS RIOS PARK PROJECT. THE PROJECT IS LOCATED AT 31790 PASEO ADELANTO, GENERALLY LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 1,000 FEET NORTH OF DEL OBISPO, 400 FEET SOUTH OF MISSION STREET, 20 FEET WEST OF LOS RIOS STREET, AND EAST OF PASEO ADELANTO (APPLICANT: CITY OF SAN JUAN CAPISTRANO) Written Communications PC Meeting Minutes 5 July 10, 2007 July 10, 2007 Applicant/ Property Owner City of San Juan Capistrano, 32400 Paseo Adelanto, San Juan Capistrano, CA 92675 Landscape Architect David Volz Design, 17050 Bushard Street, Suite 300, Fountain Valley, CA 92706 Staff presentation & recommendation Mr. Apple said that staff has checked with various Commissions and Committees regarding this item. Mr. Contreras said that the intent this evening is to take Commission input and public comments, and move the item on to the City Council. Gary Vasquez, David Volz Design, showed the design features of Los Rios Park improvements, such as drought-tolerant native plant material, unfinished-looking edges, benches, cobblestone picnic tables, a restroom structure, pedestrian and equestrian trails, three play areas with two towers and a clatter bridge, three bays of swing sets, climbing boulders, a sand area, a water pump, saddle riders, seating areas, an arbor structure, and a decorative varying height wall enclosing the plaza and depicting prominent Los Rios Street and buildings and San Juan figures. Commissioner Questions and Comments Vice Chairman Cohen asked where the playground concept originated. Mr. Vasquez said it came from the Park, Recreation, and Equestrian Commission. Vice Chairman Cohen thought the park was supposed to be passive. Commissioner Ratcliffe asked for clarification of the climbing boulders. Mr. Vasquez said the manufactured boulders will be 4 feet high. Commissioner Ratcliffe is concerned that it is inconsistent and Disney-like. Doesn’t fit in aesthetically. Chairman Cardoza asked where this item goes next. Mr. Contreras said staff envisions the item and various committee and commission comments going to City Council in August. Chairman Cardoza asked if the item is within budget. Mr. Contreras said the proposal is within budget; the parking lot is decomposed granite rather than asphalt, and the resulting savings have been redistributed to the other areas in the park. Commissioner Ratcliffe said simplifying Los Rios Park to a semi-rural environment was not based on saving money. PC Meeting Minutes 6 July 10, 2007 Vice Chairman Cohen asked if staff or Park and Recreation did an inventory of play equipment in nearby parks. Mr. Contreras said that the early concepts took into consideration the elements in other parks, the needs assessment was not wrapped in the Los Rios Park project, and that Ms. Crocker could be asked to provide a summary of the play equipment at other parks. Vice Chairman Cohen mentioned potential liability risks of children climbing on rocks. Chairman Cardoza would like to see the project proceed and constructed in the near future. Vice Chairman Cohen, Chairman Cardoza, and Commissioner Ratcliffe said the original idea was for a passive park. Public Comments Willis Hardy said that he has been involved in this project for 30 years, and spoke in favor of using epay wood. Marianne Davidson, 26621 Ramos Street, said the Los Rios residents group is in favor of a passive park with a rural feeling and limited play equipment. Kelly Blank, 31661 Lobo Street, spoke in favor of a passive park and said there are many other parks with playgrounds for children. Dusty Otero, resident, spoke in favor of a passive park. Carolyn Gonzales, Zoomar’s Petting Zoo, 31791 Los Rios, spoke in favor of a passive park. Yvonne Tchaikovsky, 27367 Paseo Placentia, asked the depth of the horse trough, which could be a danger to children. Commissioner Comments Commissioner Neely thanked and complimented Mr. Vasquez for his hard work and efforts to accommodate input from the various committees and perspectives, and for his minutes of the DRC meeting. Commissioner Neely asked that the design include the following: 1) Make the south side wall used for historic depiction more rustic and has concerns at creating a no man’s land behind the wall, next to the property line. 2) Tone down park lighting and keep security lighting by using bollards in the connecting walkways. 3) A passive park as an extension of the rural ambiance of the Los Rios district without play equipment or picnic areas. 4) Public arboretum was supposed to be included in the design. PC Meeting Minutes 7 July 10, 2007 Commissioners Ratcliffe and Kerr and Vice Chairman Cohen endorsed Commissioner Neely’s comments regarding a passive park with rustic, natural elements. Vice Chairman Cohen recommends no recreation at all, keep less recreation and remove large picnic areas and keep passive. Chairman Cardoza said that a passive environment attracts the swallows and other natural wildlife. Commissioner Kerr said she appreciated the care of the details and appreciated the equestrian element included. She also supported the passive park concept. Motion Commissioner Neely moved, seconded by Commissioner Ratcliffe, to transmit this item to City Council with recommendation for approval in concept with DRC comments included as being endorsed by the Planning Commission and that as a matter of policy recommend all recreational elements other than the amphitheater at the Montanez adobe to be removed and replaced with appropriate passive components and the removal of picnic areas. The motion passed by a vote of 5-0. COMMISSION/STAFF COMMENTS Mr. Apple said that Caltrans announced the release of the Ortega Highway widening environmental impact document, which is available as a link on the City website directly to the Caltrans website. There will be a Caltrans meeting at 6 p.m. July 24, 2007. Vice Chairman Cohen said he would not be present at the July 24 Planning Commission meeting and asked if Mr. Friess had been contacted. Mr. Apple said the applicant will attempt to provide the data a week in advance of the July 24, 2007 meeting. Chairman Cardoza said that he recently attended the City Manager’s meeting to review the City’s direction regarding open space, traffic, and sign issues. Chairman Cardoza said he looks forward to the special continued Planning Commission meeting on Monday, July 16, 2007 in the City Manager’s Conference Room to discuss the Land Use Code Amendments. ADJOURNMENT The meeting was adjourned at 9:20 p.m. to a special continued Planning Commission meeting on Monday, July 16, 2007 at 7:00 p.m. in the City Manager’s Conference Room. PC Meeting Minutes 8 July 10, 2007 Approved: ____________________________________ Steven A. Apple, AICP Planning Director